THE LEGENDARY POINTER
SISTERS
By Lenell King
Before the emergence of
the funky divas... Before Hammer pants and the Humpty dance… Before Tony! Toni!
Tone! made us all feel good, the bay area produced four sisters who blessed us
with classics like "Yes We Can", "Fairytale", "Jump", "Automatic" and "I'm So
Excited". The Pointer Sisters have given us over 40 years of hits that
have stood the test of time. They have endured tragedy and
addiction but have never lost their love for one another and for their musical
gift that keeps arenas filled around the world.
Ladies and gentleman, the
legendary pointer sisters…
Lenell: With over 40 years in the
business, what is your secret to longevity?
Anita: Having fun and staying
healthy.
Ruth: Hard Work and loving what you
do.
Lenell: You always hear about the Motown
sound, the Philly sound, the Chicago sound, but
many people seem to sleep on the Oakland sound and the impact it has had on soul
music from Tony, Toni, Tone, EnVogue, you name it. What makes the
Oakland sound
special and are you guys often credited for spearheading that
sound?
Anita: Well, we actually received a star on
the Oakland Walk of Fame in 1994.
Lenell:
Congratulations.
Ruth: A lot of good talent has
come from Oakland. People originally thought that
we were from New
York or Philly. I love it all, Sly Stone,
Tower of
Power, Herbie Hancock,
Sylvester; you name it. They all came from our hometown.
Lenell: What was life like growing up in
the Pointer Household with 4 sisters, 2 brothers and ministers
for parents? You know what they say about preacher
kids…
Anita: Loud
Ruth: A lot of
fun.
Bonnie: We couldn't do
anything, (laughing) we couldn't date boys, couldn't wear nail polish, and we
had a curfew
Ruth: That was the norm for a long
time. I remember being sent home from school. I was trying to hide
pants underneath a dress and a rain coat. Someone told on me and it was so
cold, I got sent home. That's just how our parents were, but at the
time women were coming into their own.
Lenell: Were your parents influential in
your singing career?
Anita: My mom was always singing.
Ruthie was the choir director; we sang all the
time.
Lenell: What about your brothers; what career
paths did they take?
Anita: Our brother Aaron Pointer played
professional baseball with the Houston Colts from 1961 -1963, then with the
Houston Astros from 1963 -1967. He was later traded to the Chicago Cubs and
retired in 1972 after playing with Nishitetsu Lions in Japan.
Upon retiring, he went on to referee for the Pacific 10 Conference from 1978 to
1987 where he became the first African American to referee in the PAC 10. He
later joined the NFL as a head linesman and retired in 2003. Our
brother, Fritz Pointer is currently a professor at Contra Costa
College in California.
Lenell: Wow, look at all that talent in
the Pointer household!
Bonnie: Yeah Girl, you better stay away
from us. (All Laughing)
Lenell: Bonnie, you are the founder of
the group before it was a quartet. Tell us how the Pointer Sisters
originally got started and grew from a duet to a
quartet?
Bonnie: We wanted to get out of the ghetto and
try something new in life. I didn't want to really work; just try something new.
We had the talent, and Ruth was our stylist. We all played different parts
and a lot of different music were happening at the time. We made the
opportunity for ourselves, and created our own sound. We forced it on everyone
and made them like it.
Lenell: They sure did! Now the group's
break out hit was "Yes We Can" in 1973 and a year later you guys released
“Fairytale" which earned your first Grammy. Congrats on that… Did you
think it was risky to go from one extreme to the next, meaning from R&B to
Country? Obviously it worked. Was there any backlash from
fans?
Anita:
We said that we
were going to sing what we liked; jazz, country; we did it all. We did
what we wanted to do. If you do something that no else has
done, that is a great way to get noticed. We love country music. We
grew up in a country church. We still love country music today, but
still appreciate new styles like rap.
Lenell: Bonnie, you left the group for a
solo career in 1977, and had success with hits like "Heaven Must Have Sent
You". Why did you decide at that time to pursue a solo
career?
Bonnie: I actually hated my sisters and wanted
to get rid of them… (Laughing)
Lenell: You guys are
crazy!!!!!!
Bonnie: Honestly, I just wanted
to see what I can do on my own and see what I was really made
of.
Lenell: Were you scared being out there without
your siblings?
Bonnie: Of course I was. It was
very scary, but once you put your foot in the water, you may as well jump
in and start swimming.
Lenell: Now upon Bonnie leaving Ruth,
Anita, and June continued on as a trio. Your first hit was "Fire" written
by Bruce Springstein off the "Energy” album in 1978. Shortly after you had back
to back hits like "He's so shy", "Slow Hand", "Jump", "I'm So Excited" and my
personal favorite "Automatic". What do you think contributed to that
success?
Ruth: You are referring to the Richard
Perry records?
Lenell: Yes
Anita: We didn’t co-write many of the
“A” side songs. Back then you had singles, which had a “B” side. We
always had a song on the “B” side.
Ruth: Richard Perry had just launched his
new record label, Planet Records, and the hits just kept
coming.
Anita: Yes, we actually brought some music
ideas to Richard and he thought they were great. We had a very successful
collaboration.
Lenell: Anita, you also had success as a
songwriter. You performed "Too Many Times" with Earl Thomas Conley in 1986
and have had success on your solo album in 1987 entitled "Love For What It Is".
One of your major accomplishments was a cover of your song "Fairytale" by the
King himself, Elvis Presley. What was that experience
like?
Anita: I performed with Earl Thomas Conley in
1986. He asked me to perform with him on several shows in Nashville. He and I were
also presenters at the country music awards that same year. I was scared
to death. Yes, I co-wrote “Fairytale” with Bonnie that Elvis
recorded. We never met him, unfortunately. However, we did meet his
daughter; he left us too soon.
Lenell: Anita, your songwriting
efforts landed you in the Arkansas Black Hall of Fame in 1998, congrats. Yet,
many don't know about your collection of fine art, especially Black Memorabilia.
Tell us how you first got into collecting
pieces.
Anita: Well by being black.
(Laughing) I was traveling through Arkansas on my way from Little Rock and we stopped at an antique
store and I saw these black puppets called, "Danny Sams”. That was the
first time I got started. That was in the 80’s; I just kept going to
antique stores. Every time we were on the road, I would look for black
collectibles. There are some great collections out there, but I think
New Jersey has
the best.
Lenell:
Ruth, you have had solo projects as well from the
"Streets of Gold" single for the Disney film Oliver & Company in 1989 and
"Enemies Like You and Me" for the Iron Eagles II soundtrack. One of your
most notable accomplishments is being an international spokesperson for the USO
(United Service Organizations). What inspired you to become involved in
serving our troops?
Ruth: I just completed five shows by
myself. The servicemen are so young and their stories are so compelling.
When I talk to them, I feel so good to be able to give something back. It
feels like I am really contributing to my country. I love my country and I
just enjoyed it and have so much pride from the experience. I got a
chance to see what war torn countries are like. I brought back bullet
casings that the children of Kosovo would get on the battlefields and make vases
and little souvenirs out of. They would sell them to tourists. It is an
experience that I would never forget.
Lenell: June has had solo success as
well with recordings such as "Little Boy Sweet "(1983) for National Lampoon's
Vacation , "Respect Yourself" with Bruce Willis (1986) and "Tight on Time (I'll
Fit You In) (1989) and with the release of her solo projects like
Baby Sister (1983) and June Pointer (1989). However, most people remember her for
lead vocals on "Jump", "Happiness", "He's So Shy" and a host of others. Sadly,
we loss June in 2006. Some would consider her the ‘wild one of the
group’. Would you agree with that and what is something that her fans
would be shocked to find out about June?
Anita: I don’t know if there was
anything not known about her because June was an open book. She didn’t
really hide much from anyone. She was known for being extremely generous
and she was such a happy soul. She may be known as one of a few artists to
actually wear braces while performing.
Bonnie: That was the first thing we bought her
when we started making money. She was embarrassed to wear
them.
Anita: She was such a beautiful
person. She loved everyone and everyone loved
her.
Lenell: We know that addiction has
affected the family over the years. How have the Pointers been able to
overcome addiction and triumph through the
years?
Ruth: You have to want to heal.
During the time we came along drugs and alcohol was
everywhere.
Anita: You weren’t invited anywhere if
you didn’t do it.
Ruth: Everybody was participating so
you get caught up in it and pray to God you survive. Unfortunately, many did
not.
Anita: Recovery is hard; you just have to
stick with it and want to do it. Everybody has their own personal
addictions and demons.
Lenell: How has your family expanded
individually throughout the years? Children?
Grandchildren?
Bonnie: I married legendary Motown Producer,
Jeffrey Bowen, but later divorced in 2014 after 35 years of
marriage.
Ruth: I have five children. None
are really children anymore. I have three grandchildren and my first great
grandchild is on the way.
Lenell: That’s
exciting!!!!!!!!!
Ruth: I know I can’t believe it
myself.
Bonnie: Ok, now name them all!
(Laughing)
Anita: I have one daughter, Jada,
and she is deceased. I have one phenomenal granddaughter. I
love her to death and she is my reason for living. She also works on the road
with us from time to time.
Lenell: How does your family feel about your
success?
Ruth: Well, we are a family, those that are
grateful and those that don’t know what to do with it. It’s tough. It’s
not much fun when you’re a famous family and others have so many
expectations and pressures coming your way from family members that didn’t do
what you did. We love them and they love us. My children love
interviewing me; asking about the different people I’ve met in the
business.
We recently
attended the funeral for Andrae` Crouch. It was a magnificent
event. We were sitting there talking about a specific song that we used to
sing growing up called, “The Blood”. They started playing it on the piano,
and we lost it. We had no idea that he wrote that song. It was
such a wonderful service; Stevie Wonder was there, Yolanda Adams, Be Be and Ce
Ce Winans, and many, many more.
Lenell: Wow, talk about true star power.
Ok, we know that you have won Grammys’, American Music Awards, and a host of
other accolades including a star on the Oakland Walk of Fame in
1994, individually what would you say is your most memorable time with the
group and accomplishment?
Anita: Going to Africa with Muhammad
Ali.
Lenell:
Really!
Anita: We flew to Zaire
with Muhammad Ali and we stayed there for five days. We did one show
and I went coo coo. I walked so much my shoes turned a different
color. I met friends there.
Bonnie: She hooked up with Doo Doo
J
Lenell: (laughing)
Who?
Bonnie: Doo Doo J. He was a pilot and
that was his real name. He flew us around on Air Zaire. I
remember James Brown got into it with Bill Withers over Denise Nicholas.
Lenell: Imagine
That!
Bonnie: There are a lot of stories. I
also remember being on the plane with Sister Sledge, the Spinners, and many more
all on our way to Zaire.
Lenell: I want to address two rumors…
One, Bonnie there is a rumor
that you are reuniting with your sisters, is that true? If so,
when?
Bonnie: I never really left, but a
comeback is still in the works.
Lenell: Second rumor… Is it true that BET is
scheduling some type of ICON award or paying special tribute to
the Pointer Sisters? In my eyes it is long
overdue.
Bonnie: I haven’t heard anything about
that.
Ruth: Neither have I. Maybe it’s a
surprise.
Lenell: Oops!! I hope I didn't open a can of
worms. (All laughing)
Lenell: Since
the Pointers sisters impacted so many genres of music, who do you
listen to today? Pop, R&B, etc.?
Ruth: I listen to satellite radio, The
Heat, Foxxhole, Praise with Kirk Franklin, and others. My twins keep
me up on the new stuff like Drake and Lil
Wayne.
Bonnie: I listen to whatever is on
the radio. I’m down for whatever.
Anita: I listen to news radio, not a
lot of music anymore.
Bonnie: Yeah, she gets mad! (Laughing) She
gets mad at the world. Anita is going to run for office after she retires from
singing. President Anita!!!!!!
(Laughing)
Lenell: Any new music? What plans
are in the near future for the group?
Ruth: We hope so. Music is so
weird; you don’t really need a record company to record anymore.
Bonnie: We were just talking about this
the other day; you can do it right on your computer. We’re never together
enough. We’re going to surprise everyone.
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